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director of national intelligence. later, congressional budget office director keith hall goes before the senate budget committee to talk about the u.s. economic outlook. >> here's a conversation with three governors, republican larry hogan of maryland, democrat tom wolf of pennsylvania, and republican chris sununu of new hampshire. they talked about reaching across the political aisle to achieve consensus. judy woodruff moderates the one, 20-minute event. half. good evening. i'm president of johns hopkins university and i'm delighted to welcome you here to the foundation theater for tonight for him presented by pbs news
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affliction could not be easily cured but it knew that it must for the sake of the union. tonight will have an opportunity to explore how leaders and legislators at the state level are addressing the rage of a party with three governors of states whose legislators are controlled by the opposing party. governor tom wolfe of pennsylvania, and marilyn's larry hogan, we are so pleased that you're here with us tonig tonight. [applause] we will have the opportunity to ask how they navigated inter partes dynamic and what lessons can be drawn from those experiences from the broader challenges we are facing. deep questions are at the heart are at the institute of john hoskins which is to tackling and
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subtlety and we are truly fortunate to have is with you this evening. please join me in welcoming the anchor of pbs news hour, judy would rough. [applause] >> thank you so much president daniels, thank you john hopkins university. in thank you of course to the agoura institute and for this amazing and beautiful restored where we are tonight. and how lucky we are. i'm so very glad to be here with all of you. to represent the pbs news hour. as we come together for what i am sure will be a lively conversation with these three governors. about the best ways to move the states in our country forward during this politically brought
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times. i thought about saying that i'm glad to be anywhere these days to get a short break from washington, but i decided i wouldn't say that. but i am so pleased to know that john hopkins will be having more of a presence in washington in the future through your new acquisition in the heart of the city. washington will welcome you with orphan arms and maybe you can give us a few tips of how to get things done. it is exciting. as we get underway, towards repeating the mission of the snf agoura institute which president daniels just alluded to. to be an academic and forum dedicated to democracy by examining the root causes of polarization in developing and testing new ways to foster synthetic engagement, inclusive dialogue in the open exchange of ideas, and that spirit that we are gathered tonight.
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and we are so fortunate to be joined by three governors who have been in the trenches for these past several years, working out the urgent needs of people who live in their state. two of them are republicans, one is a democrat, each of them faces a state legislator dominated by the other political party. productive and are hogan and governor wolf it's been that way throughout their tenure, and forgot governor sununu it's gonna be a new experience. in each of their cases, they been engaged in the daily give-and-take of making policy and shipping politics as you will see from this bit of background in this video we prepared. [inaudible] with back-to-back partisan drama
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in the longest federal government shutdown history. the political divide in the nation capital could not be more clear. at the state level, those divisions still exist but some governors are working to bridge the gap. in maryland, republican governor larry hogan was elected to a second four-year term last fall. the son of a congressman, hogan brought that and a career in real estate in the office. >> thank you all very much. >> hogan in the maryland legislator have clashed on transportation, paid sick leave and school spending, the governor has also sought compromise on cracking and gun control. in his second inaugural speech this month, hogan praise
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republicans like former president george w. bush for their ability to foster bipartisanship. >> on the tenor of today's national politics, may have strayed from a noble example they set, i still believe that what unites us is greater than that which divides us. and to those who say that our political system is to broken and can't be fixed, i would argue that we have birdie shown a better path forward. >> governor chris sununu was another republican. the son and brother of new hampshire politicians, sununu's early career was in injured her and businessman. he was reelected to a second two-year term as governor last november. in office, oppose legislative
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efforts to increase the minimum wage, legalize marijuana, and create stricter gun laws. but on some issues he leans more to the middle. working with legislature to protect lgbt residents and to expand medicaid. this month, his policy who refused to work across the aisle. >> i've often said that we don't want the function of washington, d.c. define the success in our great state. it is true that politics does not and should not dictate policy. treat each other with respect. >> like larry hogan, tom wolf came to politics after decades in business. he had a building material company. when he successfully ran for pennsylvania's governor in 2014, it was his first campaign. wolf has at times worked around the republican legislator. using executive action on issues
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like medicaid expansion and lgbt protection. >> we can and we should do better in pennsylvania. >> 's biggest fight with the gop was over the state budget. it became raw without will signature in a nine-month passport he did work with legislators to combat the appeal crisis in america metal water program. having won the reelection last fall, he acknowledged the difficulty in compromise. >> when we come to public service with convictions that we know we can't compromise. and my friends and legislator do as well. sometimes we will agree to disagree forever. but that doesn't have to stop us from working together to make progress for pennsylvania where we have common ground.
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>> with that, as to welcome the governors, governor hogan, governor wolf, governor sununu. [applause] so it is great to be here with the three of you. i want to start out with so we can get to know you little bit better, i want to hear from each of you while you all started out in the business background, two of you had family in politics. governor sununu and governor hogan, but you all came from a business background. governor sununu also in engineering. widely the rational world of business to jump into politics? governor hogan? >> in 2014 i was a small businessman here in maryland, i was really frustrated with what was happening in our state.
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our economy was a mess, we raced taxes 43 times in a row. we lost 8,000 businesses and hundred thousand jobs. in a really frustrated with that and decided to try to do something about it. most people thought i was crazy because maryland is one of the lowest rates in america, 26% republican and they probably had no chance whatsoever. i think people are looking for something different and i became the second republican in 50 years to be elected after four years, i was reelected in the entire 42 history the state with the most votes ever caught mark. [applause] you are running your own business will happen. >> to me government was really just an extension of community service.
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and what you can do in the government really exceeds anything that you can do in the local state. my life and business was company by rick acting career in a public and community service. at that politics was just a natural extension of that. >> but electoral politics, you're putting yourself out there asking for their vote. that was a change ? >> governor sununu what about you? >> i kinda gone through a few different things or i never thought i was gonna do the next thing. i was an environmental engineer for a while and then i fought and i ran a ski resort, and around that time i was running my own business and my kids are starting to go to school. two things happen, i saw what was happening in public schools wasn't the same that i come through, things were different.
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what was happening in my business, there is a lot of regulation, it was overregulated. it is kind of political creed that is over that things are becoming too much like everybody else. we always take pride in doing things a little bit differently. so i decided to run. in the that simple. you can't run the state like a business. i wish i could, i think a lot of us wish we could but is a republican coming he checks and balances. he brings some of the ideas of business to estate. long-term planning. judges they get to the next election cycle, politicians and legislations try to do that, but what are we gonna do five, ten, 20 years down the road. houses long-term operational fun dean versus one-time operational funding.
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i think we've been pretty successful in his been a great ride. >> governor wolf, similarities or differences between businesses and politics ? >> i think there's a lot of similarities and people extend the stay in people flick a switch and do what you want, you have to convince people. if you don't, then there will be parking lot conversations that take place in a lot of passive resistance. politics is the same way, you have to sell and convince people what do you think is right is in fact right and get them to go along with you. i think that the differences are sometimes overdone. i think there's a lot more similarities between business and politics. >> what would you say about that governor hogan? >> i think a lot of people would say in business your whole life you have been a politician. and they're trying to be derogatory. i took it as a compliment
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because you don't have to spend your whole life as a professional politician to care about the state that you're governing. and i thought a lot of the things that i learned in business have helped run the state. i spent my life trying to bring parties together and trying to convince two different people to try to figure out a way to come up with a win-win in meeting the middle and that is exactly what i've used twos move our state forward and why we have been successful. both houses of legislator more than two thirds made up of a different party than i am. i learned to work together, a lot of people that even in politics who lives are too busy to trying to score points and win arguments and not focus on how to solve problems and come up with solutions. >> speaking of that let's talk about what happened in washington for the last month, it's been about point scoring rather than something else. each one of you has washed it up close and from a state capital. the president of the united states and democrats going
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head-to-head overspending in particular for money over border wall, i would ask each one of you, you all have commented on this but what is something you would have done differently if you were in the middle of that in washington. the maybe could've avoided this governor hogan? >> is a perfect example how the system is broken. if you look up dysfunction, this would be a perfect example of washington dysfunction. you have the president on one hand commanding if i don't get my way i'm going to shut down the government, and then you have the democrats leadership saying were not giving 1 inch and were not talking to you and you can come speaking house of chamber. i said the other day, and some people in washington didn't like it, it seemed like a bunch of heroes fighting. people are sick and tired of
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this angry divisive politics in washington particularly, were all they do is point fingers at one another and try to win arguments and try to score political points when most people in the country just want them to sit down and figure out the solutions. it made no sense wha whatsoever. our state was affected the most because we have a hundred 50,000 federal workers and their families who are impacted. and i was pretty vocal about it. we got all 50 governors to push both the president and the leaders of congress and both parties and both houses to take some action and now here we are and i'm very happy that we made a little progress but in three weeks we can still have a shutdown. >> what did you have done differently mr. serrano. >> i would've done everything differently. [laughter] there is a real issue of border security, it should have been solved a long time ago.
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we should've dealt with the issue with that years ago. but we haven't. we should've never been shutting down the government impression machine 800 federal employees for something that has nothing to do them. security people, these are homeland security and tsa people that are air traffic controllers not getting paid because we want to do a security on the border. democrats who say we don't care about border security, we should have open borders, that doesn't make sense. president trump is saying we need to build a wall from the sea to shining sea, that doesn't make sense. let's sit down and say immigration and let's do something about border security, but why should the government down over it. >> government wolf what would you have done differently. >> sensitive to the fact that my first year in office we had a 91 budget impasse. but the difference was we gain to understand each other and i
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think all of us on both sides kept trying to reach an agreement. i vetoed three bills right from the get go. so we kept coming back to that. it took nine months but we finally came back -- the state government and stop? >> no it didn't stop but we can reach an agreement. and it wasn't a matter of compromising principles. i have my principles and you have yours let's figure out what the common ground is and keep working at that. and understand that democracy is not just about making public policies. because that is your site or my side. it's actually running a government and making it work. you to keep coming back to it. that is what is missing in washington, you don't think they tried hard enough to do that? >> no. >> government sooner what would you have done differently ? >> i don't think a budget should never be used to drive a
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political agenda. a budget is a budget to keep the operations of the government going, are you going to fund them, investment in infrastructure, that is where you need to keep what you need to keep in the budget, there's also been opportunities to fight over policy issues but unfortunately congress in washington try to co- mingle to get a political link. maybe that we realize indirectly that neither the democrats in congress nor the president to the republican congress, no one has earned the recoverability over the last two years. if during credibility and trust with the public, known but he has done any of that. because of that you've had a hard impact. it was an american saying you can vote for this info for that, it was all of america saying you should be embarrassed for not putting people first. that crosses the political divide. but you had to earn credibility, you have to get short-term wins, and you have to get the ball
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moving in some direction, but have we had the all in the past two years? [inaudible] >> is anyone in congress to earn the right to have a moral higher ground? i don't think anybody. if to understand that they offer responsibility to move the ball forward when times are not critical to again make sure the impacts during this critical stages are overcome. >> john wolf i want to come back to you, you pointed to the nine-month issue that you had with their own. how did you decide when something is so important that you are not going to give on it. you want a more education funding in the budget then the legislator. >> we could agree on that, with some issues over the definition of a balanced budget, big differences over things like
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pension reform, the way they wanted to modernize the liquor system, i wanted to do each of those things. i want to have a balanced budget, i wanted to have a moderately a system, i wanted to do more in terms of reforming our pension system but i didn't want to do it the way that they propose so i've even towed it. so we got to a point we have modernize the liquor system in the first time since prohibition. we actually have a balanced budget. the first deposit in over a decade. we're doing things in pennsylvania but it took some time to get there. >> i want to go behind the thinking. it sounds like it's from the musical hamilton, what goes on as you said, this is what i'm prepared to go to the wall on this, governor hogan, you have had your share of back-and-forth with the legislation. >> when i was elected four years
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ago and my first inauguration i said the politics that have divided our nation, may not divide our state, i pledge that i was going to use where we can all stand together. we have passed for budgets in a row with nearly an animus approval if washington has impassioned legislation 1996, while we must agree on certain issues and we may be passionate about different things, we don't demonize the other side, we don't make it personal, we stand up for the things that we believe in, we passionately argue our positions but you can disagree without being disagreeable. and you don't have to throw temper tantrums are shut down the government. and while we may come from different directions, we care about the same issues and we can find a way to reach an
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agreement. and that is what we have done for four years, and i think that's why get the opportunity to be here for years. >> if you look at the world and an event diagram, there are very distinct differences between ideologies, but there is an overlap, and i think a politics we can choose to focus on the things that make us different or we can choose to focus on the areas where we might be able to find common ground. it is not violating anybody's principles or compromising values, it's actually just looking at a pretty disposition to agree on certain sayings, let's focus on those, that's what we done in pennsylvania and that's what a democracy and tell. >> how do you do that. >> he just got a democratic legislator. [laughter] >> here's the thing, politics behind the scene is very much like thanksgiving dinner. the toughest arguments that i have are with republicans.
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in the toughest arguments democrats however, amongst themselves behind closed doors. what are the priorities, what are they gonna fight for, and new hampshire were libertarian state, with conservative republicans and moderate republicans, and behind doors we have our arguments. you gotta stick together and certain things in certain principles and ideas. that is a lot that all republicans agree there and democrats agreed there, that is not it at all. it is a very liberal state and has been for many, many years. people say, i'm dealing with my first republican governor since the civil war. yes but because we're so purple, and because have been able to earn the credibility and the
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right with the general public to fight on certain issues because we got a lot of other stuff done. we got kindergarten done, medicaid done, and we tend to be a very second amendment state. there's nothing wrong with that. so we averted gone through a lot of those pushes and pulls him people know or reorder. and very transparent about me decision. for example school choice. there was something he felt strongly about. even a rug -- >> it wasn't the democrats tha that -- with a full republicans and out and they agreed that they wanted to go down. so the bill never even got to my desk. that's a good example. >> to give up on that because it's a democratic legislation? >> how do you go about this? i'm not going to pivot at all,
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because i'm legislator rooms was to change her principles and believes? no. i can work with anybody on anything. people know where i come from i'm not going to pivot, the devil is in the details in some of these bills and we may have to compromise it here and there on certain things, but this is me pivot or compromise your principles at all. >> with the government hogan how do you decide what you're going to fold on, if that's the right word, how do you decide. [laughter] overlapping interest on some things but not on others. sincere and hard felt believes that her at the opposite end of the spectrum on some things. for example you don't want to spend a portion of money for schools -- that is not true.
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i record funded schools in maryland for years in a row. gone beyond and above what the legislator recommended. we've invested $32 billion in our schools, no governor in the history has ever invested more. i just submitted another budget that the same thing again. and there is no disagreement whatsoever on funding our schools. but you have to pick and choose the bottles. you can't fight on every single issue of every single day. so the things are really important in the things you think you can make a difference on those of the ones that you have to focus on. and if you think you can persuade people to win, there are certain things that may be you'd say that's two thirds very liberal democrats were not going to get this accomplished, even if it's something i believe in, maybe it's something that the majority of people believe and i'm knocking to push it. but i'm not in a cave all my
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principles on certain things but we fight the things that we think are important. but even on those things we try to find a way to come up with a solution rather than just fighting with each other. >> it's not all about fighting persuasion, you actually have a good give-and-take, you can convince people. people can convince you. and that is the point of a healthy democracy. when normal people argue and debate and come up with an agreement. >> you both agree with governor sooner that bigger fights within your own party as you figure how to go forward? >> our party is so small there's not enough of us to fight. [laughter] >> i just argues myself. but the democratic party in maryland has quite a fight going on right now with traditional liberal room across a new
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democrats that they're having a more of an inner problem going on the republicans we don't have enough of us to argue for anything. >> democrats argue? >> believe it or not. [laughter] >> what about the question of the bigger fights within your own party, i think i heard you say are not sure. >> i think with pennsylvania we've actually been able to work, together, we've been able to find common ground with the other side in republicans as well. but i think you've had a much bigger democratic majority in a democratic caucus that we've ever had in pennsylvania. maybe that's the issue to build some divisions. >> you've each taken, some
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surprising positions giving the party you belong to. especially your guns right questions in maryland, and then there are other examples for the two of you, how hard is it to go against your party or what the expectations of your party are. >> i don't think there is any orthodox, because everyone in each party has to believe all these things. everyone has to rack their own mind on these issues. >> but that's easy to do in the states is it? >> i think it is hard to do in congress but it is one of the beauties that we can make our own decisions. >> if you're in a legislative body at the state or federal level, you don't have responsibility to actually get anything done. so the executive of mayor, the
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governor -- in my state is 26% republicans. i was elected by democrats independence and republicans. but i feel obligated to any one particular group. i just make the decisions that i think you're right. and i said i don't care which side of the aisle they come from. if i think it's the right idea i'm going to go. some people say you surprised me on this issue, he went this way on the issuer that way on the issue. i just make my decision on how i feel. i support the second amendment i have always said i want to do everything to take guns out of the hands of the mentally ill and people with criminal backgrounds and that is what we did. so we did a red flag for all the people have mental issues so they don't have guns in their hands. i look at all the evidence and made a decision.
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in the environment i push for cleaner air standards, then 40 other states. and twice as strong as the paris and record recommendations. and i put $5 billion in cleaning up the chesapeake bay which is the cleanest it's been ever in history. we did and four. [applause] >> governor wolf, going against your party, do you feel, do you feel that's been a tug you think you had to think about that ? >> i am not sure i'm going against my party, we'll work together as long as i've been governor the demo product produced in the minority. so we've stood together fairly well and i think i've been true to the party into what i believed when i got to be
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governor. >> governor's in any way about you? >> you say going into the party. i'm never alone wolf out there,. [laughter] it doesn't matter what the political affiliation the rumor, do you have are you able to back it up so the numbers and how the plan is going to work out. you have to understand the details of the stop and when you do your homework and understand how the programs work, but when you understand how it works it gives you credibility to find a better way to do it. example, full-day funding kindergarten for years. none of them had actually redundant. so i said i'm going to do it and when i came into office they said you're not really going to do it are you and i said no i have a better way to do it. it didn't cost taxpayers a dollar, we decide a better way
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to do it. medical needs in which a lot of people are looking at, the only way to do it is with an income tax, that ain't going to happen in new hampshire, that is something we are not going to do, we don't believe in that. i found a better way to do it. cost the taxpayers virtually nothing and allows everybody to come in whether they want turnout. if you give them the details and work with the private sector and experts you can always find a better way to do it. it's a little more work sometimes and that gives you the credibility to have a real debate on the stuff. governor wolf, doesn't matter whether we're talking about fiscal issue, pending questions or with other were talking about social issues? whether it's guns, abortion or lgbt which has an issue that has come up and discrimination in each one of your states.
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>> i think the thing that i found in my brief career in politics is if people trust you, and you have integrity in your confidence when it comes to physical issues, you can have a long, long debate on these issues as to whether they can make their lives better or not. if they don't trust you on those first two things you're not going to get to have a discussion about policies. so i think confidence is really important integrity is really important. if you can convince the folks that you have that, i think they're going to give you a pretty wide latitude in terms of policy. >> governor hogan? >> there is for me, my entire campaign was focused simply on fiscal issues. most of all the social issues have already been decided in maryland, were the one country most progressive states. i got reelected as republican
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and a democratic state. i did focus on turning our economy around and getting more people back to work and cutting taxes. we were 49 out of 50 states. and i promise to do something about that. and the reason we had some success as is we've done exactly what we said we would do. and that is the one thing that i am gone to battle with the legislator on, in a nice way, was a fiscal issues. so i inherited a 5.1 structural deficit. now in the budget i submitted last week i put away $1.3 billion for rainy day when we really needed. i've already cut taxes by one point to billion dollars. word also can have another major tax count wednesday. we recommended our schools, we
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record from the cleaning of the day, we reviewed dollar infrastructure with record funding is trained in roads, we fully funded all the states priorities because we turned our economy around. more people are working ever before then. and that's what i said i focus on and that's what i did focus on and that's why people are happy with what we're doing instead of getting involved in lots of social issues with that there's lots a disagreement on. i think the take at the 70% approval rating. >> governor's news? i am a big believer that when you focus on the fiscal issues, we focus on the economy, whether it's cutting back, when you do that creates opportunity. that's what i think is a primary responsibility. i don't think it's going to guarantee much opportunity. my job is to set up as many job opportunities for you and your kids in your business as possible. what you do with it is up to you.
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by focusing on the economy, we're sitting at 2.5% unemployment new hampshire. it's really a problem because businesses are flooding in, wages are growing like crazy because of competition and individuals have more opportunity and more economic freedom. so any focus on the economy, everything returns and allows opportunity for individuals in the government to work side-by-side to get things done. >> you have each wrestled with tough questions, you been able to find compromise, but there been some issues that have just been tough, with a pennsylvania, we think of your very tough read districting. fight with the republicans. a number of states are lookin looking -- a number of states are experimenting and started to look at independence commission. is that something. >> that something we need to do in pennsylvania.
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>> if that was the case all along, why is it been such an issue. >> i'm proposing that the system that we have -- creating the map for state house and senate, it's a different one for congressional races, i was involved in the u.s. house races, i was able to change the but i have also established commission as a nonpartisan commission, and i would love to have pennsylvania to the point we were getting politics out of the way of drawing election map. >> so this is an issue and very passionate about. it is one of the biggest problems in the country, as part of the reason for the divisiveness that we are talking about. it is a gerrymandering. our state has the waters in the
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country. i have for four years, been pushing for a nonpartisan independent redistricting commission. which legislature, about 90% of them people in maryland our favor. almost every group is out there, every republican citizen group is in favor of it, it's something that democrats and republicans, president obama, there's republican states just as guilty. whoever has control usually manipulates the control to draw the districts in the favor. it is critically important in drawing fair districts, it's gonna change the whole system. i've been pushing but we can even get it to the vote, we are putting in again. the legislature just refuses to bring it up. he wanted in bringing up.
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it's something that people feel strongly about but we've got to get them down there talking. most people in america would like to see this nonpartisan redistricting. for four years but we haven't had success. as republicans and democrats think it needs to get fixed. >> the court she stepped in with us. and they said people's rights were violated. >> one of the prospects in pennsylvania. >> i was able to create commission to room make recommendations. so the legislation doesn't need to act as our sin? >> the legislation is to act if we want to make it a constitutional amendment. the way the system works, i can weigh in on the lawsuit that led me to it be able to re-create, vetoed the gerrymandered act.
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>> we have a commission. >> new hampshire. >> we don't have the issue. >> were very purple state. i'm a big believer that gerrymandered doesn't really work anyway. in new hampshire at least, because at the end of the day when we ought to get elected every two years, if you do your job, show your results, and then hopefully i'll get elected again and if not it's accountability of the people. not a significant issue. - congratulations issue and congratulations neck. >> we have a slight edge and registration of democrats. but we have our upper 18 of house representatives and only five are represented by democrats. we now have five and nine. and it is a big difference.
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>> was one of eight. >> in five minutes and then open it up to questions from the audience. and we are getting questions from our people were watching the live screen. in the meantime i want to ask each one of you, if you could change something about the system in your state, whether it's money, it's her money to run for office, the way the party operate its, is there something you can talk openly about the needs to be change that you would change? >> i think two things, one we just talked about, if you nonpartisan redistricting, then you would have fair districts where people have to compete and reach a majority of people. what happens now is your districts that are only solidly democrats are solidly republican, so the far most democrat designed to field anyone else. if you draw competitive districts, you have to have a
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message or majority of people. don't make a big difference. i think that probably make a big difference if you have open primaries. some states do but we do not. in our state the largest growing group are independence. where's brought a hundred thousand. and they can't phone primary. sumac not popular with the national parties ? >> don't care. [laughter] >> without making a difference in washington to? >> it make a heck of a difference in washington. in congress you and have so much polarization. you have more people that would be moderate and more people that would have to appeal across party lines so they would be more in synovitis to work together. you also have higher turnover in the house of representatives in the 20th century, young more
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competitive races. with more competitive races you have sensitivity in the system to majority of the voters. he didn't have the extremism that he had today. governor will forward you chan change. >> i made a unique and political process. the fact that we have the third waters parliamentary body in the world. their volunteers and they get paid hundred dollars a year. it's accountability. we have all these things that make us why we hold a person in primary. the one thing i really can't stand is outside money. i don't mind if you want to raise money for was from citizens of the state or businesses but when you have millions of dollars coming in from california, new york and texas and people have no interest in new hampshire, that is -- in the senate, but presidential especially in the
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past 2018, about ten times as many comes in because real estate races,. [inaudible] >> the outside money that has no true interest in new hampshire other than trying to get their name on a ballot, that tends to persuade things. so i'm believer if you want to raise money raise money, but a small state for new hampshire, that could have an influence in a very negative way. we saw in the last election. i think other people like lawrence leslie and others who did some work to show that it is not good for economy, for
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>> you can really score some points and have a shot on the national level. nationalis a reason reporters like to keep coming back to new hampshire every four years. because new hampshire is so user-friendly. we have microphones over here so
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if you have a question com, please step forward. >> thank you so much for tonight. >> get closer to the microphone. all so much for tonight. this is a fabulous discussion. i'm a student at the bloomberg school of public health in baltimore. from georgiantly and registered democrat republican counties county so i appreciate this conversation. all discussed the importance of sticking to your principles and listening to other folks'principles and coming to those common grounds. i'm curious what your perspective is on the national scale. it often feels as if other people do not stick to principles. i'm curious as to what your
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recommendations are and how you deal with that personally. >> don't run for governor. >> you are asking at the national level what about people who feel so strongly and don't spend? >> yes and at the state level. examples of this at every level of government and public service. clearly demonstrated at the national level so any thoughts would be appreciated. >> i think one of the biggest problems you have a national level is that there is less accountability. we have a u.s. senator who was a senator for six years and spends a lot of time in washington and little time in their district or a congressman or woman who spends a lot of time in washington and less time one-on-one with their district. it creates a lack of accountability. were stater mayors representatives are in their districts and talking to people one-on-one and designing systems
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and working with the stakeholders to create the sense of accountability and there is a different adherence to philosophies with transparency. for whatever reason, washington lately seems to get away with being washington. they shouldn't and the need to be held accountable. i tell people to call your state representatives and senators and get them back home and in the district and when they are back home, make sure they go out and talk to people one-on-one to create town hall meetings where the questions are not predetermined. that happens all over the place. real people like yourself can ask a hard question and get someone on the record. it creates accountability. >> i would suggest that you show some respect to the people you are debating with, recognize that you have certain deeply held beliefs and principles but you might be able to learn something from them. perspective is what we need to
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see more of. democracy is not about yelling at each other, it's about engaging. if you do that honestly, you'll end up in a good place. >> you think there is that respect in the state government? >> i think there is. >> there are differences between washington and our states and we have to govern. we run things. billion legit and 80,000 employees. a congressman or senator can just argue about things in committee and that's what they do. you don't have to deliver governor sununu said, you are not accountable people don't know what you are doing or voting on. we are closer to the problems. i am the vice chair of the national governors association -- about to be that chair the chair. it's different in washington.
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there are 50 governors, both parties and we go to these events together we have these seminars. you cannot tell the democrats from the republicans. no one fights, no one argues, we share best practices and its respectful. it's like how did you deal with this album in your state or this id and there is exchange of information and we are not competing because we are not trying to score points, we're talking about getting things done and that's the difference. teams out to beat each other, we are just doing our jobs and that's what we need more of in washington. >> with all due respect, not everyone in washington is trying to score points. >> a lot of them. difference toreal get to her question? why can't it get done in washington? i keep coming back to this. >> years ago, it was different. it wasn't great but years ago in
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i was in congress when i was 12 or 14 years old and there were a lot of democrats and i might passionately debate something on the floor of the house and then they would go out to dinner together so they were friends and i would be friends with her kids. they liked each other. that doesn't happen anymore. you can't even talk to a person when they are calling each other names. it's not the way it was supposed to be and it's not the way it should be. we are not enemies because we disagree. >> we have gotten to be a very tribal system. there is a book on that and talked about that. i think there is a lot of to a permanent majority and it has led us to the point where we do yell at each other a lot. look at ronald reagan and tip o'neill. and they have
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issues where they clashed. they liked each other and i have a beer together and they came together and did things. get me wrong, when it comes to congress, i say fire them all. republican or democrat, get rid of them. inember what's happening society, is not that much different. as individuals, we have to take a responsibility of being part of this complete divisiveness in our country. withe it on the news protests that are ugly. you can get out there with your signs and fight for something you believe in but as individuals, as citizens, we are seeing that divisiveness so i think everyone has to take the responsibility in getting us out -- understanding what respect and encourages really all about. it's not about yelling.
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it's about understanding the other side and having the word empathy. everyone knows the definition but they don't practice it. we all have to take responsibility. [applause] citizen resident in baltimore city. to follow up on what you are saying, my attitude is throw all the bums out. term limits of got to be put into place. what do you all see as individuals would be the role you would have speaking to the people in washington because you know what the effect has been on your state directly or indirectly. what would you be saying besides throw all the bums out and let's start all over again? one of the major issues with i was getting more involved after the most recent presidential election was to be able to look at greater voter rich as a patient.
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gerrymandering is a huge issue. entrenched politicians is a huge issue. i am looking for people who will give me -- who can listen to me and give me the respect to be far more broad in their approach to the huge communities i feel are crucial to this country's future. i would like to see what you all are saying and can bring back to our friends in congress. >> beyond redistricting, what other advice would you have? >> i think the governors are starting to take more of an active role. we are starting to weigh in on more things in the governors association and they typically didn't get involved because the cared aboutovernors one issue and republicans cared about another but we are coming and voicing our frustrations about how the things they are doing are not impacting all of our state so we are weighing in more stuff they don't have to listen to us but
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when you have 50 governors and we are the states and maybe the people in congress on the white house need to pay attention so we are starting to weigh in on issues. >> i think the issue is the citizens. this is a democracy and we represent the will of the people who voted for us and the citizens need to cut destiny to take the country back and i think that's happening. [applause] >> good point. this is a question from a student at johns hopkins. andaid i'm 22 years old asks what advice would you have for governors like laura kelly from kansas to work with their refund -- their republican state legislatures to pass medicaid expansion? >> i just did that by executive order in pennsylvania. [laughter] >> that's your advice? [applause] medicaid mayzed have republican-led house and
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senate and republican governor and the democrats said we are going to throw medicaid out but of course not. people were counting on us to get the job done. we cut $200 million out of the system by adjusting the rates. we put in a work requirement which is great and it allows those able-bodied workers the dignity of getting into the workforce and we did it differently with more of a new hampshire way and when you do that, you can find that support stop you don't just carbon copy what has happened before. challenge yourself. case of kansashe is different? where can i take advantage of opportunities with pricing and the work opportunity and to get some folks who will say no, expanding medicaid has provided a huge opportunity in our opioid crisis and access to care. there are huge benefits. there is a cost but having huge
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benefits to the state is most important. the advice i give any governor is lead by example. you want to make sure there is accountability in the system so be the first one to have accountability. you can say we tried some things on this work and this didn't. when was the last time a politician in washington admitted they did something wrong? things to try certain and experiment with failure. that's the engineer in me because the wicker you recognize what might not have worked, the record you are empowering stakeholders to be part of the new solution to stop that is how we got medicaid done. even those of us in the news media can do that. >> the washington post said we were the most innovative state in the country. we expanded medicaid. >> that was the washington post. [laughter] protect to the coverage of
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hundreds of thousands of marylanders and we lowered our rates for the first time in a decade of stop you have to be we got a unique waiver approved from the trump administration which was difficult to you and we got the legislature to come together and work this out and negotiate. that was difficult. expanding medicaid is something that republican and democratic governors came together. jacobe's another question in baltimore and says for states with start differences in social , whatic differences obligation do you have to the city which exists in your state, cities like baltimore, philadelphia specifically. >> we have a lot of work to do. one of the rings we got to recognize is the fastest way to prosperity is to create real equal opportunity. if you want to unleash the
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creative talent of your citizens come you got to promote fairness and make sure it actually happens. philadelphia, i'm not sure of other cities around the country how they have been harmed by growth levels of inequality and unfairness -- we had criminal justice reform and this has enjoyed bipartisan support of nearly working on education with broad bipartisan support in investment in education and training. we have employers looking for good employees. bipartisanreal consensus that we need to do these things and if we do these things effectively, we will help places like philadelphia. >> cities can be a big drain on resources, right? if you look at it from the governor's perspective. >> in pennsylvania, they are also the biggest source of revenue. >> maryland has the highest
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median household income in america but we also have difficult problems in baltimore city like most urban areas. it's the economic engine of the state and it's worth the investment. we have invested billions of dollars in baltimore cities and funded the schools. infrastructure and we passed justice reinvestment and are focused on trying to transform the communities. we started project core were we tear down blighted buildings and redeveloping those communities after tearing down thousands of blighted properties. we are focusing on the crime issue which is still a problem. invest in these communities and we are trying to provide more opportunity for job training, reentry programs because the cities are critically important and we want to make sure everyone in the state has an opportunity, not just the ones already working and we have lowered unemployment
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and added jobs but not everybody is succeeding in that booming economy. everybody is succeeding in its booming economy some trick to make sure every citizen has the opportunity. >> one of the issues facing america is climate change. how have you worked across the aisle or do you plan to start implementing or not commonsense solutions? one thing i think we have to do and that i try to do is you have tenoughto understand every projs not necessarily a win. you have to understand how the systems work and the example i would give this solar. solar iso where is great, don'te wrong. those on fixed incomes and the
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elderly so my friends say yes we are going to support solar projects that i want those that are paying the bulk of it to be the first in life to get the benefits, so we focus and get the environmental benefit by lowering the carbon using all that kind of stuff, but you put it on the low income communities and apartment buildings in the city and let them see the rate on their bills we have the highest in the country in new england you've got to do your homework and understand who is paying for this stuff pennsylvania just two weeks ago
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i signed a bill to actually target big reduction in the carbon emissions and we are on target using the 2005 as the baseline, 2025 as the endpoint for 26% of the production we have methane regulations, but i think one of the biggest things that's happening is the capital markets themselves the market is moving inexorably away from the old burning of fossil fuels to the sustainable energy future and the only question is how long is that going to take and what can we do from the public policy point of view to get there as quickly and seamlessly as possible and that is what i'm focused on in pennsylvania. >> what are the environmental? >> we have got pushed to the tougher clean air standards than the other states and twice as
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strong as the paris accord at the extent of the climate change and we are making tremendous progress but just every other democratic governor in the country as well for the whole four years that we've been governor we want to get some of the other neighbors to join as well to be a part of that so they would hold out for a little while and in the nation and internationally. >> the policies for example in new england what happens in massachusetts affects new hampshire or maine or connecticut suffice it to charlie baker has a great governor of massachusetts be careful because if you passed what i would say is ill advised
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climate policy that doesn't take the ratepayer into account, we have to pay for it. if new hampshire had to do year after year sit is fight for a br deal we float on the same high prices and so that's something states and governors have to constantly work out across the country for the smaller states integrated even though it might not be politically or economically stable you got to work that out and one of the areas they come together to find common solutions. >> but it's also affordable and we have made sure that we are not heading the rate payers. you can balance the needs of them in the process. >> we are trying to grapple with problems will bthe problems we e that climate change is real and a problem.
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>> i want to bring it back to washington and a few minutes we have left there has been speculation that one or more of you may be looking for running for president. i have to ask you first because it's been noted he is then going to iowa and it happens to be the first caucus. >> i'm the vice chair and they had a meeting in iowa and this is the second time i've seen nw hampshire governor the past few days i just was sworn in last week for my second term and that's where my focus is for right now and i'm flattered people are talking about the possibility, but it's not something i'm focused on. who knows what's going to have n two years from now. you never know.
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i saw michael bloomberg on saturday night and invited him to come in and sit down. we don't have the same political ideas but to say anything we can do to help people understand what it's about. it's not about big money -- everyone is invited. >> that is a perfect jumping off point. what should people that are watching what's going on in washington and thinking i sure hope this isn't the way things are going to be for the indefinite future may be in the republican party as well as the democratic party what are the qualities that we look for, what should we be looking for there will be two dozen or more democrats, but perhaps republican. >> there was a great story in the "the washington times," in
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"the new york times" of the couple of weeks ago they don't align themselves with the far left or right and they are sick and tired of politics and one guy said i think that he gets the tone he set up the next person is going to be this guy. monday night we get together and go to a bar and all we do is argue about politics. i'm going to vote for the guy that takes us back so we can get back to arguing about football. actually we have an argument about football. [laughter] what should we be looking for you've been around people running for president. what should we be looking for? >> they were looking for someone that has integrity.
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i got a lot of credit for putting money into rainy day fund and that is what people are going to be looking for. in the policies that may or may not help you whether you agree if we don't have those things we are never going to get -- >> how do you know if someone has integrity? >> not because they say so i will tell you that. [laughter] the secretive government is how do you get the big system to focus on individual?
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key doesn't have to necessarily even make them one on one that they get people fired up and away he comes off as someone that is passionate and genuine about doing something different and not just the status quo and that is why it is so vital because it's all about the stakeholders and individuals connecting one-on-one i don't care how much money you have and what your idea is it does not matter i want somebody that is going to stick with things i fiercely believe in no matter what. i don't want them to compromise. other people say no i want you to go to washington or the state capital or wherever and get things done. how do you bridge that?
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>> if i agree with someone 100%, i don't trust this person come i'm not going to support that person and i think if they trust the person then they will say yes i'd like to see you come for compromise and get something done and do the right thing. most people would vote for if they had a choice running as a pack that is in the way the system works so you probably have the most liberal democrats to win the nomination. it's never happened before, but it certainly is possible. it is a different time.
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they will do better than any other time in history. i don't if they have time in general but if someone were to jump in as an independent saying i'm going to run on the ticket to get to november or doing the same thing a true independent would do better than it has in the past but i don't know if it can be done. stick it can mix things up a little bit. i think the two party systems have actually forced the system in. >> as you look at this audience and the audience is watching now and later streaming and beyond, who are really, really frustrated for the reasons we've been talking about, can you give them hope in a few sentences to believe that the system is still worth believing in and that we haven't just lost our way in this country ask
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>> i know people are very frustrated. i'm frustrated at no not just wh washington but people are ready to give up and say that system is broken and they can't do anything about it. i just happen to believe in spite of how divided we are there is more that unites us than that which divides us and a majority of people would like us to get back to the middle ground where we can all stand together and we cannot keep going like this. i think that as i said earlier, this is a democracy. it's not a spectator sport. what's going to happen as more people are going to get reengaged in the political system. >> i would say look to the leaders out there that are doing it right. [laughter]
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it can be something at the local level in the planning board with the school board or governor. i'm incredibly disappointed with congress and a lot of people are seeing that. a lot of elected officials do it right and i am an engineer by trade i believe in cycles that's mathematicallthatmathematicallyt goes. it's not just for elected officials that have the responsibility. it's every single one of us when you pick up your phone and use facebook or whatever you do, there's a responsibility you have been part of the conversation that is what democracy is. [inaudible] it really is. social media is the worst thing on the planet that brings out the ugliness and everybody that somehow wbutsomehow we feel like entitled to have personal attacks on someone because they are not looking them in the eye so in that respect it is a horrible human trait, but when
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you engage with people one-on-one you spend time with them and sit with them in a room and that should give people hope a lot of people that are not doing it right a lot are engaging not just across party lines but good principles and philosophies and if someone is adamantly opposed again the whole point is i'm not the enemy. let's have a good discussion with people giving of themselves and going as a politician it's really hard right now. there's a huge sacrifice there isn't a politician that isn't giving a significant sacrifice saying 30% of the people on any given day are going to blast me just because there is a letter r. or d. after my name. it's hard on my wife and my kids and families get involved so again, have something of the common know what it means in practice it. know what respect is coming in practice it. practicing these things are the key to actually coming together having a viable discussions and
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that should give people hope. the formula is there we don't need to reform the system or change the rules just because we are not happy. the founding fathers were right just because we are in a polarizing point doesn't mean we should give up in the system. >> it is a hopeful note end of the conversation on. ' [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2019] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit]
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